Road to Karyovouni village - Greek Mani |
Our Journey thus far:
Highway between Kalamata and The Mani - Greece |
We set off on our Road Trip to Residency in February – with bulging application packets of documents proving health, wealth and honorable citizenship. We traveled to San Francisco for an interview and review of those documents by the Greek Consul there who serves the U.S. area in which we live.
Our documents needed to be current, so there was a tight timeline between the California trip and our return to Greece. Timing is everything.
Having obtained a 12-month entry visa as a result of that San Francisco meeting – we then made a quick trip to our state capital Olympia, Washington. There we had those stacks of documents notarized and later apostilled by the Secretary of State’s office so that the Greek government could accept them. Tight squeeze in scheduling, but timing is everything.
On the Road in Greece:
Our mid-March return to Greece where we plan to be until early June – seemed back then more than enough time to make it through the Residency permit process. So optimistic were we about being approved and the process going smoothly that we decided we’d buy a car this spring as well. (A resident permit is required of foreigners registering cars here).However, the first month came and went as our packets of documents were translated into Greek and the new documents stamped and added to that pile of paperwork we’d brought with us.
The Scout waits in the Immigration office |
With luck we’d be issued a temporary visa, the authorities would keep and examine the documents closely and with more luck we’d be issued a permanent visa before we leave. We’d given up hopes of buying the car this trip.
The clerk smiled at us and welcomed us in English – a good start, I thought. But then in Greek he told our attorney why we wouldn’t be getting any permits that day nor would we be leaving our documents for review:
The immigration laws changed April 1st (no joke!).
New forms, new fees - paid them at the post office which is also a bank |
We would need to pay another fee to the bank, have photos taken and put on a CD, and we would have to have fingerprints taken by immigration officials. The conversation at the counter went:
“Can we do that today?” The Scout asked, trying to salvage a bit of the ground we seemed to be losing.
“That is a problem,” explained our attorney. “The equipment is here but the law is so new it isn’t hooked up”
“When will it be hooked up?’ asked The Scout.
“Maybe next week,” she replied. “But they also need a technician to operate it. . .”
We quit asking questions.
The official how-we will-look-as-residents photos |
On Road Trips - Pay attention to the Road Signs
In early March we’d read a Greek news article about an overhaul of the country’s immigration system for foreign residents. It sounded really slick as it changed from a sticker pasted into the passport, to a plastic card - a residence card, with computer chip, that doubles as an identity card.The change was initiated back in 2002 – 15 years ago! – when all European member states agreed to introduce the new cards The aim is to have a uniform residence permit for the European Union. The regulation was updated in 2008. Some countries have completed the process, for instance, Germany rolled them out in the fall of 2011.
Basically it uses electronic photo identification and fingerprints and other data on a chip in the card and sounds much like the U.S. Global Entry card used many thousands of travelers there.
So that explained the need to go get photos taken, pay an additional fee, and await the fingerprint machine and technician. We seemed to have timed our effort to put us right in the middle of the conversion. . .and that is where I intended to end today’s post.
Stop! Listen to other travelers
Stop sign near our home in Greece |
'No,' he said. 'I had my photos on a CD and they fingerprinted me in the Kalamata office. And issued a residency card - not a sticker in the passport.'
(Now it had taken him a half dozen visits to the Immigration office to get it done, but obviously he timed that March visit correctly.)
So as I wrote in the beginning, timing is everything when you travel - even on Road Trips to Greek Residency.
Thanks for being with us again this week. Next week, I’ve got a Greek ferry tale for you. Should we resume the road trip, you’ll be the first to know! As always, happy travels to you and yours!
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Just got to love rule changes in the middle of a process. But it does sound like you're getting closer. You have more patience than I.
ReplyDeleteWell we are either on the road to developing it, or losing it completely - that is for sure!!
DeleteHello Joel and Jackie,
ReplyDeleteThis sounds frightfully complicated and time consuming. You are almost there and it will all be history very soon.
Hope you had a lovely Easter in Greece
Helen xx
We'll it is certainly an interesting journey - not sure it is one I would want to undertake again though. Thanks for the lovely Easter wishes, Helen, I hope you had a great weekend and a wonderful spring lies ahead for you!
DeleteOh my goodness. I feel your pain The Aussie immigration laws changed completely the year I applied for residency, and even our lawyer didn't know what to do!! Thankfully they figured it all out and I received my residency, but holy moley, what a gong show! Wishing you much endurance and good timing. xo
ReplyDeleteYour comment made me smile - I guess misery loves company and I so appreciate we are not the only ones who can tell Catch-22 stories about dealing with immigration. Thanks for the good wishes! xoxox
DeleteI am shaking my head in disbelief and feel so sad for your glitch in your journey. I hope you don't give up and keep on pushing forward, one bureaucratic office at a time. Good luck to you Jackie and Joel.
ReplyDeleteThanks much Mary - I do believe that it will take nothing more than luck, and plenty of good luck, from this point forward.
DeleteOh, how I can relate to those glum photo ID's! Some of the best lessons that expat'n can teach are patience and persistence. We had long lists of "To Do's" broken down into half dones and almost-theres and all you can really do is inch along resolutely towards the done mark! As seasoned travelers you already know that, despite planning for all contingencies, there are so many things beyond your control. Point being, by the time you finish getting your Greek residency, you'll be well on your way to sainthood! 😁
ReplyDeleteWe'll we've put the road trip into 'park' and await a green light from whoever the fingerprint gods or whizzes might be. Patience and persistence are the key words for sure!!
DeleteI'm cheering you on from Australia. I've heard Greek Bureaucracy is frustrating to say the least. There is nothing for it but to grin and bear it and hope.
ReplyDeleteThanks much Jan. I can hear those cheers from afar and appreciate them greatly.
DeleteI could be being totally selfish because I'm eager to hear as much as you've got to share on Greece lol.
DeleteOh, Jackie, I am saddened to hear of your delay in obtaining your Greek residency. Yes, having come back in January, I, too, have had to deal with some changes that did not exist before I left. Stay on course, and you will arrive at your designated destination!
ReplyDeletePoppy:)
P.S.: Beautiful pics of the road to residency, especially the second one!
Thanks for the encouraging words, Poppy. We were prepared for delays and detours and hope soon to be traveling at the same breakneck speed for which Greek drivers are famous for! ;-)
DeleteI don't think it's just about getting Greek residency, I think it's about bureaucracy in general. Bureaucrats have a certain rule-bound mindset and are extremely reluctant to move outside the rules. And that applies even when the rules change: it takes them time to get their brains to accept the changes. So frustrating for the rest of us! Keep up the positive thinking, though! You'll get there eventually!
ReplyDeleteThanks Rachel. We had the same frustrations in the US getting the insurance company and banking institutions to write the letters we needed for this process. They had a way of saying what needed to be said, and it wasn't what the Greeks wanted in the letter -- so dealing with multiple bureaucracies has been a bit of a challenge.
DeleteWelcome to Greek bureaucracy! And it appears it's forever changing at the whim of who you see on any given day - hell, even on the SAME day!
ReplyDeleteI wish you luck...now you know why most people in Greece have to 'be creative' - the system makes people like that.
Or they throw in the towel as we say. . .which is an option that is looking quite good right now. But there does come a point that you have so much money and time invested in the process, that even throwing in the towel isn't an option!
DeleteOh, Red Tape!
ReplyDeleteGood luck with your timing.
These things are alays so complicated! But it will all be worth it in the end...
ReplyDeleteArgh! That must be so frustrating. At least you have your lovely Stone House on the Hill to distract you while you wait for the bureaucracy to work itself out.
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